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		<title>By: Ian Griffith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Griffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, thanks for joining us. 

The grocery store issue is an example where retailer associations have received support from wholesalers on tackling a political threat. It seems to me, more often than not, the retailer and wholesaler act as allies rather than adversaries. They work to preserve productive relationships rather than threaten them.

People&#039;s argument with the 3-tiers is mostly about the state mandated role of wholesalers, not with wholesalers per se.  As you yourself describe the relationships on the ground are often strong. I&#039;m proposing that retailers work those relationships to help open more markets for interstate shipping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, thanks for joining us. </p>
<p>The grocery store issue is an example where retailer associations have received support from wholesalers on tackling a political threat. It seems to me, more often than not, the retailer and wholesaler act as allies rather than adversaries. They work to preserve productive relationships rather than threaten them.</p>
<p>People&#8217;s argument with the 3-tiers is mostly about the state mandated role of wholesalers, not with wholesalers per se.  As you yourself describe the relationships on the ground are often strong. I&#8217;m proposing that retailers work those relationships to help open more markets for interstate shipping.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Posner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Posner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian

What complex relationship do you refer to between retailers and wholesalers?

The one where wholesalers support retailers in fighting against the will of the people and keep wines out of supermarkets?

I am not sure I follow that angle.

I have great respect for wholesalers. I have built many great personal relationships from my business relationships. Nevertheless, the three tiered system as we know it, is a dinosaur and is begging for improvement. Supporting a model of business that is nearly 100 years old, in this day and age, is not sensible, to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian</p>
<p>What complex relationship do you refer to between retailers and wholesalers?</p>
<p>The one where wholesalers support retailers in fighting against the will of the people and keep wines out of supermarkets?</p>
<p>I am not sure I follow that angle.</p>
<p>I have great respect for wholesalers. I have built many great personal relationships from my business relationships. Nevertheless, the three tiered system as we know it, is a dinosaur and is begging for improvement. Supporting a model of business that is nearly 100 years old, in this day and age, is not sensible, to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Griffith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Griffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 05:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith, I was having difficulty reconciling the demonization of wholesalers that we see online with the day-to-day practice of the trade on the East Coast. Instead of defending them I was trying to describe a more complex relationship between retailers and wholesalers. 

There is anxiety at many levels in this industry when it comes to structural change. We need to balance being entrepreneurial while minimizing the risks to our business. The regulatory environment of a state largely defines the playing field for retailers and wholesalers, and can promote risk aversion. It is a tough argument to make that a business needs to invite more competition to grow stronger. I suspect we are watching an industry resist that argument until the last possible moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith, I was having difficulty reconciling the demonization of wholesalers that we see online with the day-to-day practice of the trade on the East Coast. Instead of defending them I was trying to describe a more complex relationship between retailers and wholesalers. </p>
<p>There is anxiety at many levels in this industry when it comes to structural change. We need to balance being entrepreneurial while minimizing the risks to our business. The regulatory environment of a state largely defines the playing field for retailers and wholesalers, and can promote risk aversion. It is a tough argument to make that a business needs to invite more competition to grow stronger. I suspect we are watching an industry resist that argument until the last possible moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Wollenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Wollenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian:  

This is an interesting and thoughtful article.  But I am not surprised others felt you were defending wholesalers.  So did I.  I work for a California Retailer, and we have active and effective partnerships with our wholesale suppliers, both large and small.  In fact, many California wineries work through them, even though they are not required to do so.

It is not a zero-sum game.  But wholesalers who feel they have the right be gatekeppers and restrict consumer choice are fighting against the tide of change, IMHO. If I were Glazers and Republic, and controled 90%+ of the Texas market, I would be trying to prolong my Duopoly rents as long as possible.   But that does not make it fair to the consumer who can see wines they want to buy, but not get them becuse their local wholesaler chooses not to carry them.

We are in a state where each grocery store sells wine, beer and spirits.  Yet there is a vibrant panoply of family-owned businesses selling wine.  I work for one such, with three stores and a website.  I get very tired of hearing the parade of horribles used to keep wine from grocery stores in other states such as NY.  Living in a state who made that choice did not in any way spell doom for us independent family-owned retailers.

The great thing about facing competition is that it makes you better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian:  </p>
<p>This is an interesting and thoughtful article.  But I am not surprised others felt you were defending wholesalers.  So did I.  I work for a California Retailer, and we have active and effective partnerships with our wholesale suppliers, both large and small.  In fact, many California wineries work through them, even though they are not required to do so.</p>
<p>It is not a zero-sum game.  But wholesalers who feel they have the right be gatekeppers and restrict consumer choice are fighting against the tide of change, IMHO. If I were Glazers and Republic, and controled 90%+ of the Texas market, I would be trying to prolong my Duopoly rents as long as possible.   But that does not make it fair to the consumer who can see wines they want to buy, but not get them becuse their local wholesaler chooses not to carry them.</p>
<p>We are in a state where each grocery store sells wine, beer and spirits.  Yet there is a vibrant panoply of family-owned businesses selling wine.  I work for one such, with three stores and a website.  I get very tired of hearing the parade of horribles used to keep wine from grocery stores in other states such as NY.  Living in a state who made that choice did not in any way spell doom for us independent family-owned retailers.</p>
<p>The great thing about facing competition is that it makes you better!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Troutman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Troutman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great breakdown of an industry and supply chain that is so incredibly convoluted. It will be interesting to see the potential changes that could develop in coming years - though like you mentioned, the 3-tier system is here to stay for the foreseeable future!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great breakdown of an industry and supply chain that is so incredibly convoluted. It will be interesting to see the potential changes that could develop in coming years &#8211; though like you mentioned, the 3-tier system is here to stay for the foreseeable future!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Griffith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Griffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Tim. I&#039;m sure there are distributors who act to protect their market share at the expense of small wineries and consumer choice.  However, they also need to support the growth of their key accounts and could be more open to a strategy that supports local growth through interstate shipping. I&#039;m hopeful changes in MA will demonstrate this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Tim. I&#8217;m sure there are distributors who act to protect their market share at the expense of small wineries and consumer choice.  However, they also need to support the growth of their key accounts and could be more open to a strategy that supports local growth through interstate shipping. I&#8217;m hopeful changes in MA will demonstrate this.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Duggan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Duggan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll agree that in all states the distributors that actually do the hard work of promoting brands, selling and delivering wine, and working hard to maintain relationships with retailers and restaurants will always have a place in an open wine market. It is the same for any product - those who have cracked the distribution game will be compensated for being competent marketing partners.

This is not usually the case however in states that block the sale of wine directly to retailers or restaurants. Most distributors rely on their monopoly to maximize profits compared to work. It is much more profitable for them to sell 1,000,000 cases of a certain wine and block the sale of other wines. The result is little consumer choice and a lack of access for most wine producers in a particular market.

So, I think the question is not whether or not the opening up of markets for direct sales will actually provide a benefit to wholesalers in general, but whether or not most of the protectionist dinosaur wholesalers that are currently emptying their coffers to fight market-opening legislation would actually be competitive in an open market?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll agree that in all states the distributors that actually do the hard work of promoting brands, selling and delivering wine, and working hard to maintain relationships with retailers and restaurants will always have a place in an open wine market. It is the same for any product &#8211; those who have cracked the distribution game will be compensated for being competent marketing partners.</p>
<p>This is not usually the case however in states that block the sale of wine directly to retailers or restaurants. Most distributors rely on their monopoly to maximize profits compared to work. It is much more profitable for them to sell 1,000,000 cases of a certain wine and block the sale of other wines. The result is little consumer choice and a lack of access for most wine producers in a particular market.</p>
<p>So, I think the question is not whether or not the opening up of markets for direct sales will actually provide a benefit to wholesalers in general, but whether or not most of the protectionist dinosaur wholesalers that are currently emptying their coffers to fight market-opening legislation would actually be competitive in an open market?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Simons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Simons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, didn&#039;t mean to enter attack mode or anything.  Guess I&#039;m still stinging from the Texas decision. :)

I do think that your post does a great job of encouraging deeper thought on the issue, and you  are right about the 3-tier system being here to stay, at least in the short term.

Very informative and interesting post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, didn&#8217;t mean to enter attack mode or anything.  Guess I&#8217;m still stinging from the Texas decision. <img src='http://www.bevsites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I do think that your post does a great job of encouraging deeper thought on the issue, and you  are right about the 3-tier system being here to stay, at least in the short term.</p>
<p>Very informative and interesting post.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Griffith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Griffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Ben. I should have realized that I might find myself defending the wholesalers even though that was not my intention.  I don&#039;t think there is any question about whether the 3-tier system will be maintained for the foreseeable future; the Supremes were pretty clear in the Granholm decision that the states have control of the sale of alcohol on their turf. It is up to each state whether they allow winery or retailer direct shipments, or require that wine moving through the state at least bump the dock of a state-licensed wholesaler. 
&lt;p&gt;I see SWRA has filed for a &lt;a class=&quot;wp-caption-dd&quot; href=&quot;http://www.winebusiness.com/news/?go=getArticle&amp;dataid=71324&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;review&lt;/a&gt; of the 5th Circuit decision, it seems like a long shot but it may produce a new decision for Texas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Ben. I should have realized that I might find myself defending the wholesalers even though that was not my intention.  I don&#8217;t think there is any question about whether the 3-tier system will be maintained for the foreseeable future; the Supremes were pretty clear in the Granholm decision that the states have control of the sale of alcohol on their turf. It is up to each state whether they allow winery or retailer direct shipments, or require that wine moving through the state at least bump the dock of a state-licensed wholesaler. </p>
<p>I see SWRA has filed for a <a class="wp-caption-dd" href="http://www.winebusiness.com/news/?go=getArticle&#038;dataid=71324" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">review</a> of the 5th Circuit decision, it seems like a long shot but it may produce a new decision for Texas.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Simons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Simons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I would not argue that distributors provide no value, I do think that most of the arguments for maintaining the three tier system still seem to stem from an anti-consumer and protectionist position.  It basically boils down to limiting the ability of the free market to operate like it does in other arenas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I would not argue that distributors provide no value, I do think that most of the arguments for maintaining the three tier system still seem to stem from an anti-consumer and protectionist position.  It basically boils down to limiting the ability of the free market to operate like it does in other arenas.</p>
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